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Obama Declares Gutter Politics in PA (1.25 / 4)

if those ladies don't want drama, they won't vote Obama.

Obama IS Gutter politics.  

...and too late to try to change now.

After all, he already bought the air time......record spending for his one way messaging campaign.......with 2 new Axing Negative smear attack ads.

People ALREADY SEE HE IS FULL OF IT.

I'm so happy you he showed his hypocrisy so fully blazing as this time.....after making these grand claimss as support for his complaining over the tough questions at the debate, fresh on all's minds, to him then launching this smear attempt.

another major lapse in judgement.

...but I appreciate the laugh .


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:14:19 AM EST

Re: Obama Declares Gutter Politics in PA (1.40 / 5)

Hillary Clinton is running a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT negative ad buy in Pennsylvania.

She isn't running a single positive add.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:15:35 AM EST
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Here's an ad she is running in PA:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/161. aspx

Here's another ad she is running in PA:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/159. aspx

Here's another ad she is running in PA:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/158. aspx

Here's another ad she is running in PA:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/157. aspx

All of these ads are very uplifting and positive - they focus on a hopeful message of hardware, competence and change.

So, I'm troll-rating you, for spewing crap that you know is false.

I encourage others to do the same.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:22:42 AM EST
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Nice typo.. hardware = hard work .. thinking about my busted graphics card, sorry.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:23:41 AM EST
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Re: Obama Declares Gutter Politics in PA (1.80 / 5)

You can troll-rate me all you want, but you're doing it again.  You responded to me by posting every positive ad that Hillary Clinton has ever run in Pennsylvania, and you're ignoring the ones she's running now, which is the entire point.

I was wrong before about 100% - I'll break it down further:

She's 100% negative in the Pittsburgh, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona, and Wilkes-Barre/Scranton markets - nearly half the state.  She's only running the "I was very insulted by Barack Obama" ad.

In the Philadelphia and Harrisburg markets, she's only 50% negative - there's one positive ad: it totes her economic plans, and the other is negative: it's the "Barack Obama voted to give oil companies big tax breaks".  That ad is not only negative but incorrect.

The ALP is also rolling out yet another negative ad, but no word on where it's going to air.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:32:48 AM EST
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Re: Obama Declares Gutter Politics in PA (2.00 / 3)

Obama doesn't have negative ads running, right?

The P/R stunt getting a former General to say that Hillary has no moral authority to place a wreath on a grave because of her Bosnia remarks was real positive, right?  It didn't make a LIAR out of Barack when he swore that his campaign would only talk about this when asked, right?

The Harry & Louise style mailers trying to scare people out of wanting universal healthcare is real positive, right?

Give me a break.  I never troll rate someone for disagreeing with me.  I don't even mind if they insult me.

But for spewing crap you know is false - absolutely.  


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:35:29 AM EST
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First you put the words from a sermon of Jeremiah Wright into the mouth of "the Obama campaign", then you link to Clinton ads that she's not running.

Everything I've written is completely factual and you troll-rate me for it.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:39:37 AM EST
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Re: Obama Declares Gutter Politics in PA (none / 0)

One of the "negative ads" Clinton folks point to is entirely made up of quotes from PA newspaper editorials.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:49:42 AM EST
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That doesn't excuse it. Are you that blinded by the Obama spin?

Are you saying as long as Hillary quoted other people saying critical things about Obama that it wouldn't be negative?

Laughable.


by steveinohio on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:23:49 PM EST
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Re: Obama Declares Gutter Politics in PA (none / 0)

The point is that newspaper editorial boards (not to mention voters and superdelegates) disproportionately think Clinton is the one who has been more negative.

I'm sure you Clinton folks sincerely think Obama has been more negative, but most folks, including people who were uncommitted earlier, disagree with you.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:58:56 PM EST
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Jeremiah Wright was a National Adviser to the campaign when he made those statements.  The fact that he was speaking for the campaign from the pulpit is the reason his church is currently under investigation for tax fraud - it violated their non-profit purpose according to IRS rules.

Hopefully (and likely) the church will be fine.

But, even though Obama claims to have "disowned" Wright during the debate, you cannot pretend he was not working for the campaign at the time.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:31:10 PM EST
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I thought this was snark (none / 0)

but you seriously believe this...

lol


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:25:46 PM EST
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bullshit... (none / 0)

you don't seem to know what you are talking about.  feel free to provide evidence that wright was "a National Adviser" right after 9-11.

moreover, your lies continue on who and why the ucc is being investigated by the irs.  trinity ucc -- wright's church -- is not being investigated by the irs, the ucc is.

feel free to show that wright was "working" for the campaign, meaning drawing a paycheck from it.  if you meant that he was volunteering for the campaign, that's fine.  but the other statements were clearly and intentional deceptive, and you obviously know better.  pretty disgusting, if you asked me...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:17:13 PM EST
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I troll rate you because you say things that you know are false, and that add nothing to the conversation - in short, because you're trolling.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:45:12 PM EST
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Uprated (2.00 / 2)

TR abuse.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:52:25 AM EST
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Re: Uprated (none / 0)

No shit.  Thanks.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:58:11 AM EST
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Re: Obama Declares Gutter Politics in PA (1.50 / 2)

BULL!  But truth and facts is never what most Obama followers dealt with, so why start now, huh?


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:38:38 AM EST
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Oh crap Linda... that's with supporters on both sides and you know it.  there are some Clinton supporters on this site that wouldn't know the truth if it smacked them upside the head.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:07:24 PM EST
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